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Forum: Paladins 02/25/09, 1:01 PM
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Posted By Left
You should be using Judgement.

You should be using Judgement.
Forum: Paladins 02/16/09, 5:47 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 52,221
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I am fairly sure that TankPoints takes talents &...

I am fairly sure that TankPoints takes talents & buffs into account in it's weightings, such that if you want to see what the change would be you would subtract 27 from your Defense Rating line and...
Forum: Paladins 02/06/09, 1:44 PM
Replies: 3,523
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Posted By Left
Done. Results here...

Done. Results here (http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t45098-fcfs_retribution_modeling_script/#post1091929). The conventional wisdom was correct in all cases; delaying even 1/2 second for Judgement always...
Forum: Paladins 02/06/09, 1:36 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 32,432
Posted By Left
Zengir, I've noticed a similar loss progression...

Zengir, I've noticed a similar loss progression with my version of the script. I'd be interested to run some identical test cases with your script and my script and verify that they come up with...
Forum: Paladins 02/05/09, 12:40 PM
Replies: 1,873
Views: 4,152,049
Posted By Left
Too often I find that when using Consecration I...

Too often I find that when using Consecration I want to reapply it sooner, not later, because I want to reposition. I often use only 2-3 ticks worth to pick up adds as they run through a...
Forum: Paladins 02/05/09, 11:47 AM
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Posted By Left
Yes, that should be doable. You just need to add...

Yes, that should be doable. You just need to add a check before using any ability other than judgement to see if judgement is almost off cooldown (ie, within 1/2 second). I will try to work in such...
Forum: Paladins 02/03/09, 4:48 PM
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Posted By Left
No, I haven't even touched Bloodlust, etc. One...

No, I haven't even touched Bloodlust, etc. One step at a time.

As for Divine Plea, resealing, cleansing, or anything else you might want to do, you can look at the reporting for "GCD Density". The...
Forum: Paladins 02/03/09, 3:03 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 32,432
Posted By Left
That's an excellent idea. Thanks for pointing it...

That's an excellent idea. Thanks for pointing it out. After seeing your code (and yes, Python really is that simple; it's why I like it) I think I'd modify it as follows:


# Priority 1:...
Forum: Paladins 02/03/09, 1:04 PM
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Posted By Left
Well, yes, I know that many of you already went...

Well, yes, I know that many of you already went over a lot of these items. And I apologize for seeming to doubt or to duplicate your work. The issue is, it's a 220+ page thread, and searching for...
Forum: Paladins 02/03/09, 1:03 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 32,432
Posted By Left
FCFS (Retribution) modeling script

Following some discussion of late in the Ret Paladin thread, I decided that I was interested enough in the philosophical problem of prioritizing FCFS rotations that I would take a crack at some...
Forum: Paladins 02/02/09, 8:35 PM
Replies: 3,523
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Posted By Left
FCFS priority system

There's been some discussion of late about what exactly the priority system for FCFS should be. I argued a couple pages back...
Forum: Paladins 02/02/09, 9:11 AM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
Oh, I agree. I don't raid anymore, but going off...

Oh, I agree. I don't raid anymore, but going off the early raid/preraid numbers of one of the DKs in my guild (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Darkspear&n=aur), it looks like 700-800...
Forum: Paladins 01/30/09, 4:36 PM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
A bit of a digression, but... Apart from...

A bit of a digression, but...

Apart from anti-magic or just pure damage output runes, DKs get three options for tanking type runes:
Rune of Swordshattering (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53323)
Rune...
Forum: Paladins 01/30/09, 3:26 PM
Replies: 3,523
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Posted By Left
I think there are two questions we are asking...

I think there are two questions we are asking when it comes to FCFS "rotations". The first is, "what should the priority be?" The baseline logical answer is "the abilities which do the most DPS", but...
Forum: Paladins 01/29/09, 4:11 PM
Replies: 1,873
Views: 4,152,049
Posted By Left
A minor note: the above line in the first post...

A minor note: the above line in the first post (underneath the Shield of Righteousness discussion) is no longer accurate given the introduction of Hand of Reckoning. Probably should be updated at...
Forum: Paladins 01/29/09, 9:03 AM
Replies: 3,523
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Posted By Left
Here is another theory: Heart of the Crusader...

Here is another theory: Heart of the Crusader (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20337) interference with Master Poisoner (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=58410)? I know, for instance, that when a warrior...
Forum: Paladins 01/27/09, 4:22 PM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
There is a decent breakdown of various enchants...

There is a decent breakdown of various enchants in the Wowhead comments section for Mongoose (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27984#comments) which may be enlightening. On average, Mongoose provides...
Forum: Paladins 01/27/09, 11:29 AM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
This is calculating miss gained from defense,...

This is calculating miss gained from defense, correct? IE, it should be added to the base miss rate of 5.0% to get intelligible results.

EDIT: To the poster below me, yes, that's what I was trying...
Forum: Paladins 01/26/09, 2:17 PM
Replies: 3,523
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Posted By Left
Oddly enough, your hunter (Topojijo) is showing...

Oddly enough, your hunter (Topojijo) is showing about the same number of JoW procs as I count eligible abilities. Not counting pet attacks, I came up with:

Explosive Shot: 33+62 = 95
Auto Shot:...
Forum: Paladins 01/20/09, 7:29 PM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
See, that's where I disagree. In actuality, if...

See, that's where I disagree. In actuality, if you had read my post in more detail, you'll see that in fact the more mana regen you already have, ie the closer you are to mana neutral, the more time...
Forum: Paladins 01/20/09, 5:30 PM
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Posted By Left
No, I'm not really "forgetting" any of the many...

No, I'm not really "forgetting" any of the many various ways that mana is returned. I'm just saying that there are many ways to gain mana, but few ways to use less of it. In situations where your...
Forum: Paladins 01/20/09, 10:32 AM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
Sorry to come in late in the conversation...

Sorry to come in late in the conversation regarding Benediction, but I'd like to point out that 2% reduced mana cost is not equal to 2% additional time before going OOM. Because there is already so...
Forum: Paladins 01/14/09, 10:49 AM
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Posted By Left
If you are going to do that, it would be helpful...

If you are going to do that, it would be helpful to equip a gear set that puts you over the melee hit cap but under the spell hit cap, then reserve a weapon that would boost you from under to over...
Forum: Paladins 01/14/09, 9:13 AM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
I have seen a RD resist recently. Several, in...

I have seen a RD resist recently. Several, in fact. Ironically, it was not on a level 80 boss. It was on Shazzrah (http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=12264)while I and two of my friends were seeing how...
Forum: Paladins 01/12/09, 9:48 AM
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Posted By Left
Yes.

Yes.
Forum: Paladins 01/09/09, 2:35 PM
Replies: 3,523
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Posted By Left
Something else to keep in mind, at least as of...

Something else to keep in mind, at least as of 2.x mechanics, is that the "resisted" values in parethesis usually don't take into account damage multipliers. I can't remember the context of the...
Forum: Paladins 01/09/09, 11:16 AM
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Posted By Left
Flex, I could be wrong (and as I have never...

Flex, I could be wrong (and as I have never tested it personally), but I think it works a little differently than that. I think RV, Deep Wounds, and Ignite "roll" in that every time a new critical...
Forum: Paladins 01/09/09, 9:25 AM
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Posted By Left
And to address your other theory, I'm fairly sure...

And to address your other theory, I'm fairly sure the only dynamically calculated diminishing returns in WoW are PvP crowd control times. Calculating dynamic DR on things like dodge, parry, etc...
Forum: Paladins 01/09/09, 9:06 AM
Replies: 3,523
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Posted By Left
Searching this thread yields some discussion on...

Searching this thread yields some discussion on this topic a few pages back (http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37843-retribution_paladin_thread_wrath_3_0_a/p22/#post1040151). Basically, if you have any...
Forum: Paladins 01/07/09, 4:46 PM
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Posted By Left
I used to participate in all the mechanics...

I used to participate in all the mechanics discussions over in the rogue threads (when I played a rogue), and if we were correct then there's a bit of a flaw in your reasoning about procs per minute....
Forum: Paladins 01/07/09, 2:08 PM
Replies: 3,523
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Posted By Left
From the description, Berserking...

From the description, Berserking (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=59621) seems to proc only off of melee abilities. Hammer of Wrath is considered a ranged attack...
Forum: Paladins 12/19/08, 3:14 PM
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Posted By Left
I think you're saying the same thing. Re-read his...

I think you're saying the same thing. Re-read his post; he's saying that JoW procs are currently giving back over twice as much as they will next patch (ie, it's a nerf).
Forum: Paladins 12/19/08, 2:49 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 52,221
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I doubt I use nearly the same in-depth level of...

I doubt I use nearly the same in-depth level of analysis that you do, but speaking from a low-geared paladin's perspective I currently evaluate pieces based on total avoidance and total crit...
Forum: Paladins 12/19/08, 8:56 AM
Replies: 2,219
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Posted By Left
I don't think this is correct. Judgements are...

I don't think this is correct. Judgements are treated as ranged physical attacks, so would use your physical (ranged) crit chance. See the Ret Paladin thread...
Forum: Paladins 12/18/08, 12:53 PM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
Kings is going to help against spike damage, but...

Kings is going to help against spike damage, but overall I would think the 3% reduced damage input from BoS is going to help your healers more. That and it gives you more mana. What's not to...
Forum: Paladins 12/18/08, 11:26 AM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
I can give you my experience, for what it's...

I can give you my experience, for what it's worth.

I don't even have Kings in my spec any longer. I use Blessing of Sanctuary for everything I do: grinding, PvP, regular and heroic 5-mans. (Not...
Forum: Paladins 12/18/08, 9:54 AM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
An item unrelated to the topic but yet related to...

An item unrelated to the topic but yet related to the thread... when I try to view the first post in this thread I am currently receiving an error message that says:



Is anyone else experiencing...
Forum: Paladins 12/15/08, 4:31 PM
Replies: 1,873
Views: 4,152,049
Posted By Left
Suggestion for the Enchants section: It may be...

Suggestion for the Enchants section:

It may be worth mentioning that Heavy Borean Armor Kit is a decent shoulder enchant for those who don't yet have Sons of Hodir rep and/or don't need more defense...
Forum: Paladins 12/12/08, 9:30 AM
Replies: 1,873
Views: 4,152,049
Posted By Left
Consecration...

Consecration (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48819)
904 + 0.32*SP + 0.32*AP damage
Lasts 8 seconds
113 + 0.04*SP + 0.04*AP DPS

Seal of Vengeance (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31801) (5...
Forum: Paladins 12/10/08, 4:33 PM
Replies: 3,523
Views: 1,876,354
Posted By Left
I thought that when you judged it would remove...

I thought that when you judged it would remove your previous judgement effect if it was different? IE, judgement of wisdom cancels your previous judgement of light? Or is this not the case? (I...
Forum: Paladins 12/10/08, 2:43 PM
Replies: 3,523
Views: 1,876,354
Posted By Left
Not so; all judgements now apply a 20 second...

Not so; all judgements now apply a 20 second debuff, not 10. Thus, if you are using judgement on cooldown (talented or not), you are refreshing a debuff.

However, you're right that it doesn't...
Forum: Paladins 12/10/08, 1:47 PM
Replies: 1,873
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Posted By Left
This is what I find easiest as well. Ideally, to...

This is what I find easiest as well. Ideally, to maximize your goal (threat, mitigation, or efficiency) you would choose precisely which ability to drop when you reseal, use Divine Plea, or use...
Forum: Paladins 12/08/08, 9:20 AM
Replies: 3,523
Views: 1,876,354
Posted By Left
Just wanted to followup on this. I did get to...

Just wanted to followup on this. I did get to test it (albeit as a prot paladin, not ret) on Friday. I have 1 second off my judgement cooldown. Simply standing and spamming judgement every time it...
Forum: Paladins 12/05/08, 1:24 PM
Replies: 3,523
Views: 1,876,354
Posted By Left
Here is a theory, which I can test tonight (or...

Here is a theory, which I can test tonight (or someone else can test earlier): What if there is a bug with Improved Judgements (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=25957)such that if you judge after 8...
Forum: Paladins 12/05/08, 12:16 PM
Replies: 3,523
Views: 1,876,354
Posted By Left
If that is a cause, it isn't the only cause. I...

If that is a cause, it isn't the only cause. I have seen the judgement bug when I am the only paladin present (ie soloing or leveling with friends). It has happened to me both when judging on a mob I...
Forum: Paladins 12/03/08, 2:20 PM
Replies: 1,873
Views: 4,152,049
Posted By Left
Speaking of threat-assisting weapon enchants, it...

Speaking of threat-assisting weapon enchants, it strikes me that Titanium Weapon Chain (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=55839) and/or Enchant Weapon - Accuracy (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=59619)...
Forum: Paladins 12/02/08, 9:27 AM
Replies: 3,523
Views: 1,876,354
Posted By Left
There has been some discussion in the Prot thread...

There has been some discussion in the Prot thread about this, and basically the conclusion was that as long as the tanking paladin can handle the generated threat, it is better for a Prot paladin to...
Forum: Paladins 12/01/08, 5:47 PM
Replies: 2,219
Views: 693,336
Posted By Left
If you block fully, then yes, the macro is...

If you block fully, then yes, the macro is telling you approximately what percentage of the time you will not be hit. If you don't block fully, then it is only telling you how often you won't get hit...
Forum: Paladins 12/01/08, 4:58 PM
Replies: 2,219
Views: 693,336
Posted By Left
For the first part of your question, the macro...

For the first part of your question, the macro should not be affected except that instead of 350 defense being the baseline point of comparison it will be 400. So "a+b-350" would instead be...
Forum: Paladins 12/01/08, 1:18 PM
Replies: 149
Views: 230,258
Posted By Left
For prot ratings, I have found it helpful to use...

For prot ratings, I have found it helpful to use multiple scales which tell me different things about the gear I am examining. I personally have five different scales right now: Avoidance, Full...
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