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Forum: Public Discussion 04/10/08, 11:32 PM
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Posted By Rob
I didn't see if this was already brought up, but...

I didn't see if this was already brought up, but assuming you have two tanks capable of 350 DPS each the average requirement is really only 1900 DPS.
Forum: Class Mechanics 04/01/08, 9:15 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
I'm a fan of this build...

I'm a fan of this build (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hZxVbdVLsAuqoxojz) for having almost everything you'd want for PvE and almost everything you'd want for PvP. (Got us to 2126 5v5 in two nights.)
Forum: Class Mechanics 04/01/08, 1:18 AM
Replies: 2,892
Views: 940,622
Posted By Rob
The data...

The data (http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/rhornick/www/shardcd.gif) show a 45 second internal cooldown. (The average time in between procs isn't useful since you were only using one weapon, so I didn't...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/31/08, 8:21 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
I hope you tried running the two gear combos...

I hope you tried running the two gear combos against each other and comparing DPS, because if I saw a sharp drop in the EP of expertise I'd wonder if the sim was hitting the cap when it calculated...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/31/08, 6:28 PM
Replies: 8,574
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Posted By Rob
2% dodge always has been a filler, just to dodge...

2% dodge always has been a filler, just to dodge that cleave when you were lined up wrong or dodge that hit when somebody pulled aggro an extra 1 out of 50 times.

Imp Ghost Wolf is easily worth...
Forum: Public Discussion 03/31/08, 4:15 PM
Replies: 140
Views: 76,880
Posted By Rob
http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/rhornick/www/shardcd.gif ...

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/rhornick/www/shardcd.gif
Seems pretty good evidence for 45s ICD.
Forum: Player vs. Player 03/31/08, 1:30 PM
Replies: 239
Views: 31,479
Posted By Rob
So how does this argument carry over to a game...

So how does this argument carry over to a game like CounterStrike -- or any first/third person shooter, like Halo or Gears of War -- which are very popular but also very skill-based and not very...
Forum: Public Discussion 03/31/08, 2:46 AM
Replies: 140
Views: 76,880
Posted By Rob
Shard of Contempt strongly appears to be 45...

Shard of Contempt strongly appears to be 45 second internal cooldown with a 10% proc rate, identical to Hourglass of the Unraveller and Tsunami Talisman.
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/31/08, 2:14 AM
Replies: 8,574
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Posted By Rob
Stormstrike hits twice when you're dual wielding....

Stormstrike hits twice when you're dual wielding. By your math, you'd expect a bit under 72 hits. On that WWS, I see 47 non-crit hits and 21 crits for a total of 68 hits.
Forum: Public Discussion 03/30/08, 11:44 PM
Replies: 425
Views: 101,174
Posted By Rob
Yeah, I'm a little bit disappointed that Blizzard...

Yeah, I'm a little bit disappointed that Blizzard didn't put the pyro on a percentage rather than a timer as I've never seen it either. As another poster said, the worst-geared players fight the...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/30/08, 9:21 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
You gained "Heroism" 8 times. Presumably one of...

You gained "Heroism" 8 times. Presumably one of these was you using your Heroism ability, but did you get Heroism from anyone else? If not, that means your trinket procced 7 times, and thus has a ~1...
Forum: Public Discussion 03/30/08, 3:01 PM
Replies: 425
Views: 101,174
Posted By Rob
Obviously, and I would figure that if you're a...

Obviously, and I would figure that if you're a "PvE elitist" and turn up your nose at PvP, you would have some good PvE gear.

The way I see it you have three options for this fight:
1) Bring a...
Forum: Public Discussion 03/30/08, 3:00 AM
Replies: 425
Views: 101,174
Posted By Rob
I've run the heroic every cooldown so far and I...

I've run the heroic every cooldown so far and I don't think it's substantially harder than any other max-level heroic or even the normal version of MgT. As an enhancement shaman it's actually nicer...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/25/08, 10:50 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Can you post a citation for this claim? Anyway,...

Can you post a citation for this claim?

Anyway, twisting would *probably* still be feasible, but it would require closely monitoring your swing timers. Wait until swing goes off, drop WFT. Wait...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/14/08, 12:40 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
I don't remember my stats well enough to say how...

I don't remember my stats well enough to say how many samples we need to have a 95% confidence that the mean is greater than 5.6%, but I'm sure that such a formula does exist. If someone can chime in...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/14/08, 11:59 AM
Replies: 8,574
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Posted By Rob
So that's a 5.9% average between 4 trials there,...

So that's a 5.9% average between 4 trials there, hardly conclusive evidence that we've exceeded 5.6%. Hmm. Who's got a lot of spare time and wants to look through their guild's WWS parses?
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/06/08, 3:50 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Err, you're obviously going to be wearing T5 if...

Err, you're obviously going to be wearing T5 if you have the T5 set bonus active, so it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that you'd use T5 gear as your base for the simulation. Obviously...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/06/08, 3:31 PM
Replies: 8,574
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Posted By Rob
Use Yo's sim, put in your desired stats without...

Use Yo's sim, put in your desired stats without the set bonus, run and get a DPS number. Then enable the set bonus, get a DPS number, turn on "calculate EP weights" and note the number that's like "1...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/06/08, 3:28 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
This neglects that critical strikes refresh the...

This neglects that critical strikes refresh the Flurry buff; apart from that, I can get behind it.

Which I guess is why I'm confused as to why a graph and everything is needed.
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/06/08, 1:18 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Well, your question didn't ask "does a graph...

Well, your question didn't ask "does a graph between Expertise EP and DPS exist", it asked "at what point is Expertise good enough that I should give up crit for Expertise" which is pretty different...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/06/08, 2:02 AM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
WoW BlueTracker: Lifetap change reverted...

WoW BlueTracker: Lifetap change reverted (http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/5103773379.htm)

As an aside, there is some interesting info in there on the under-/over-representation of certain...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/05/08, 5:51 PM
Replies: 8,574
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Posted By Rob
Well, we operate under the assumption that SS is...

Well, we operate under the assumption that SS is a "two-roll" attack. Technically, it is a "three-roll" attack in that each hand has independent crit rolls.
Forum: Public Discussion 03/05/08, 5:21 PM
Replies: 4,393
Views: 1,575,104
Posted By Rob
I was talking about armor specifically (ie:...

I was talking about armor specifically (ie: Cloth, Leather, Mail or Plate) and you pretty much proved my point for me. (The reason I am interested in talking about these pieces is because they are...
Forum: Public Discussion 03/05/08, 4:26 PM
Replies: 4,393
Views: 1,575,104
Posted By Rob
Make items disenchantable through the trade...

Make items disenchantable through the trade window, increase the number of enchanting materials that come from a single disenchantment, or decrease the number of enchanting materials required for...
Forum: Public Discussion 03/05/08, 4:24 PM
Replies: 4,393
Views: 1,575,104
Posted By Rob
I don't know, people seemed to like Naxx even...

I don't know, people seemed to like Naxx even though it dropped Desecrated Spaulders, etc.

In theory, I agree with you. In practice, with a few exceptions, WoW bosses have never really dropped...
Forum: Public Discussion 03/05/08, 3:14 PM
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Posted By Rob
This really does seem like the logical thing to...

This really does seem like the logical thing to do. Spell damage leather isn't ever going to be optimal for anyone except 1 spec out of 27 (30 with the expansion release), so tokenize all armor drops...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/05/08, 2:58 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Leaving out WF and SS crits is a big, big...

Leaving out WF and SS crits is a big, big weakness. Supposing you get 1 SS every 10 sec and 2 WF procs every 10 sec you are missing 2+2+2=6 crit chances. With 25% crit you would expect 1.5 Flurry...
Forum: Player vs. Player 03/05/08, 12:28 PM
Replies: 894
Views: 377,994
Posted By Rob
As Malan said, it obviously depends on the...

As Malan said, it obviously depends on the bracket and opposing team composition. In 5s, if there were at least 2 other DPSers on my team and none of them had the ability to apply a healing debuff, I...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/05/08, 12:24 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Whether or not to skip frost shocks depends on...

Whether or not to skip frost shocks depends on your tank's TPS (i.e. skill) and your mana situation.
Yep.
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/05/08, 12:23 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Well, UR uptime is 98% with 20% crit and pushing...

Well, UR uptime is 98% with 20% crit and pushing it to 25% crit gives you 99% uptime, so that's not a real concern.

Flurry uptime is great for your DPS, but doesn't provide any other benefit besides...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/05/08, 12:47 AM
Replies: 8,574
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Posted By Rob
No, that is a stupid idea because it is going to...

No, that is a stupid idea because it is going to vary with every guild and on every run. You won't "need" any level of gear in SSC if everyone else is wearing T6; on the other hand, you'll "need" to...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/04/08, 6:01 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 4,800
Posted By Rob
Allowing our melee haste to lower the GCD would...

Allowing our melee haste to lower the GCD would be pretty useful.
Forum: Player vs. Player 03/04/08, 3:57 PM
Replies: 894
Views: 377,994
Posted By Rob
Unless I misunderstand what you are saying, this...

Unless I misunderstand what you are saying, this is false. Read up on the attack table (http://www.wowwiki.com/Attack_table) and the "crit cap".

Resilience changes "critical strikes" to "hits"....
Forum: Public Discussion 03/04/08, 12:04 AM
Replies: 2,712
Views: 333,424
Posted By Rob
Picked up a few new good beers over the...

Picked up a few new good beers over the weekend.

First, the Goose Island Pere Jacques. A Belgian style Dubbel with lots of malt and not much hops. WOW, this beer is good. I don't have a "golden...
Forum: Player vs. Player 03/03/08, 10:36 PM
Replies: 894
Views: 377,994
Posted By Rob
I'm well aware of the limitations of the...

I'm well aware of the limitations of the simulation for PvP purposes. However, EP values are derived from the sim and thus don't take resilience into account either, so why would you think that they...
Forum: Class Mechanics 03/03/08, 10:33 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Incorrect on both counts. Stormstrike can proc WF...

Incorrect on both counts. Stormstrike can proc WF and you want to Stormstrike while WF is not on cooldown.

Malan, probably best to add this to the OP under Stormstrike.
Forum: Player vs. Player 03/02/08, 2:15 PM
Replies: 894
Views: 377,994
Posted By Rob
There is a much better way to compare the DPS of...

There is a much better way to compare the DPS of the two sets in this case, plug in your stats with full S3+Chain to Yo's and run the sim, then plug in your stats with full S3+Linked to Yo's and run...
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/22/08, 11:33 AM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
While you're working on that, is there any chance...

While you're working on that, is there any chance you can add a check if 4-piece Gladiator is equipped (and thus reduced SS cooldown by 1 second)?
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/20/08, 9:00 PM
Replies: 8,574
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Posted By Rob
Basically, we are getting interesting choices to...

Basically, we are getting interesting choices to make on our gear now. Previously there was always one clearly best item in slot, now there are going to be multiple items, and you will have to make a...
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/20/08, 4:54 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Duh? I mean, obviously those are going to be...

Duh? I mean, obviously those are going to be better than something which gives 16 AP without Kings and 17.6 AP with Kings.
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/20/08, 11:12 AM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
The other day I was thinking about the fact that...

The other day I was thinking about the fact that our item budget gets messed up by having STA + INT on items, and what Blizzard might do to stop us from preferring rogue items. The new Skyshatter...
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/18/08, 6:28 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Not coincidentally, 76% and 24% are approximately...

Not coincidentally, 76% and 24% are approximately equivalent to the relative ratios of the weapon DPS EP values we figured out a while back. (9.03+2.70 = 11.73, 9.03/11.73 = 77%) Anyway, those...
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/18/08, 4:21 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
This result is not surprising, though. The...

This result is not surprising, though. The primary stats (everything to do with DPS except armor pen) all have the same "cost" on "item budget". To item designers, 1 STR = 1 AGI = 1 crit rating = 1...
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/18/08, 2:03 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
It is not surprising that the sim gives similar...

It is not surprising that the sim gives similar results in gear choices given different starting points. The "underlying relationship" that you refer to is, simply put, shaman combat mechanics. The...
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/18/08, 1:56 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Your math is right (I posted the same answer a...

Your math is right (I posted the same answer a few pages back when someone posed the question).

Interesting idea, sim it.
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/18/08, 1:54 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
Well, we kind of already went over this...

Well, we kind of already went over this discussion a while back. Disquette, Tornhoof, and others had introduced a way for us to obtain AEP values, and Yo! came in and said that hey, these aren't...
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/17/08, 10:14 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
The assumption is that it's going to be easier to...

The assumption is that it's going to be easier to get tokens than specific nonset drops, since each T6 and Sunwell boss will drop 3 set tokens/kill in 2.4.
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/14/08, 2:41 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
And that's why you're not raid...

And that's why you're not raid leader?

Seriously, though. You don't need to provide justification for "not being hitcapped". You don't prove a negative. What you do is provide justification for...
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/12/08, 2:51 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
I don't know how "hours" impacts the EP...

I don't know how "hours" impacts the EP calculations that Yo's sim does. But theoretically, if I make the same assumption that you do (hours impacts the quality of EP calculations), then using the...
Forum: Class Mechanics 02/12/08, 12:35 PM
Replies: 8,574
Views: 2,703,515
Posted By Rob
I dunno, really we should be establishing 95%...

I dunno, really we should be establishing 95% confidence intervals, right? Seriously though, if you got a data set {1.60, 1.62, 1.70, 1.70, 1.74} for some EP value, the mean is 1.67 and the median is...
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