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Forum: Death Knights 06/12/09, 2:50 PM
Replies: 707
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Posted By methods
Keep in mind the only way stat weights can work...

Keep in mind the only way stat weights can work is through averages. Average weapon damage (high + low / 2) divided by the speed of the weapon IS the DPS listed on the weapon. The weight shows how...
Forum: Death Knights 06/12/09, 9:20 AM
Replies: 707
Views: 1,587,618
Posted By methods
Since both of those weapons have the exact same...

Since both of those weapons have the exact same speed the difference should be fairly accurately represented in the weight for weapon DPS. If the speeds were different you might have a more complex...
Forum: Death Knights 06/05/09, 3:50 PM
Replies: 1,333
Views: 1,251,628
Posted By methods
It seems like we are all getting the same...

It seems like we are all getting the same conclusions. Either we are all missing something, simulations all make the same unrealistic assumptions, or we are right. Zero gains for super easy rotations...
Forum: Death Knights 06/05/09, 2:35 PM
Replies: 1,333
Views: 1,251,628
Posted By methods
Though this is true you wont be able to avoid it...

Though this is true you wont be able to avoid it and it has nothing to do with the SS glyph. If you are rolling both diseases you will never have more than 3 seconds of delay between either one...
Forum: Death Knights 06/03/09, 4:26 PM
Replies: 1,423
Views: 2,666,426
Posted By methods
Yes, I have separate values for spell and melee...

Yes, I have separate values for spell and melee crit. The amount of Melee crit gained is exactly equal to 1.1(kings)*0.016(AGI-TO-CRIT conversion) so no issues there. I'm looking at the possible...
Forum: Death Knights 06/03/09, 3:58 PM
Replies: 1,423
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Posted By methods
I've never claimed to be 100% accurate so it is...

I've never claimed to be 100% accurate so it is more than likely there are mistakes here and there. I've taken care to be as accurate as my time allows.

One mistake was this: I believe there was...
Forum: Death Knights 06/03/09, 1:39 PM
Replies: 707
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Posted By methods
I'm not sure how linear the change is from low IT...

I'm not sure how linear the change is from low IT to high IT use as I haven't done a lot of testing in between but there are some basic principles that apply in a fairly predictable manner.

The more...
Forum: Death Knights 06/01/09, 1:06 PM
Replies: 707
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Posted By methods
I just tried forcing a IT machinegun spam...

I just tried forcing a IT machinegun spam rotation with FS/HB's at certain intervals and came up with this adjustment:
Frost IT spam|APE
T7-2p|49
T7-4p|190
T8-2p|230
T8-4p|30


Interesting but fits...
Forum: Death Knights 06/01/09, 11:35 AM
Replies: 707
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Posted By methods
Sorry for not posting these sooner. I've been...

Sorry for not posting these sooner. I've been fairly busy at work.

Blood and Frost set bonus weights:
(still not confident with my frost numbers)

Blood|APE
T7-2p| 60
T7-4p| 39
T8-2p| 83
T8-4p| ...
Forum: Death Knights 05/22/09, 11:23 AM
Replies: 1,333
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Posted By methods
Your gargoyle buff shows up 10 seconds after...

Your gargoyle buff shows up 10 seconds after casting. it should be a total duration of ~30 seconds including the 10 second no RP drain period. I've been seeing this behaviour consistently and I...
Forum: Death Knights 05/20/09, 12:29 PM
Replies: 1,333
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Posted By methods
Gargoyle isn't DRW. You only need 50 to start it...

Gargoyle isn't DRW. You only need 50 to start it and it wont effect the duration in the slightest unless you fail to stay > 0 RP for the full 30 seconds. Basic game mechanics, really.
Forum: Death Knights 05/20/09, 8:48 AM
Replies: 1,333
Views: 1,251,628
Posted By methods
My spreadsheets and Kahorie's simulator are...

My spreadsheets and Kahorie's simulator are showing similar trends in regards to 12/0/59 and 0/10/61 (I'll double check this later since I am going by memory). It seems that in BiS gear for either...
Forum: Death Knights 05/14/09, 11:09 AM
Replies: 707
Views: 1,587,618
Posted By methods
Though my sheets show that approximate value...

Though my sheets show that approximate value still, I'll need to do more work on ensuring their validity on a later date. For now I will say they are, at the very least, close. The 4P T7 weight is...
Forum: Death Knights 05/14/09, 10:37 AM
Replies: 707
Views: 1,587,618
Posted By methods
FS does consume RP on a miss but so does DC so...

FS does consume RP on a miss but so does DC so I'm not sure what use that is to an argument. However, since you use more FS and they are more potent than Unholy/blood DCs it starts to make sense....
Forum: Death Knights 05/11/09, 3:37 PM
Replies: 1,333
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Posted By methods
The stat weights provided on the first page...

The stat weights provided on the first page include all pets, Necrosis, BCB, and pretty much anything else that could be effected by Haste rating in a standard rotation.
Forum: Death Knights 05/06/09, 4:41 PM
Replies: 1,148
Views: 572,839
Posted By methods
OB will scale far more in a raid environment than...

OB will scale far more in a raid environment than HB will aside from AoE so going from these results alone one could be mislead. This is not to say that the winner is obvious either way but maybe...
Forum: Death Knights 05/04/09, 2:33 PM
Replies: 1,148
Views: 572,839
Posted By methods
I haven't provided frost dps stat weights because...

I haven't provided frost dps stat weights because I'm pretty sure there is at least something wrong with my model for it. That being said take these numbers as preliminary (although logically they do...
Forum: Death Knights 05/04/09, 1:16 PM
Replies: 1,333
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Posted By methods
Glyph of the Ghoul is nearly our best Unholy...

Glyph of the Ghoul is nearly our best Unholy Glyph. I'm not sure why your ghoul is dying so much but even if it is you can resummon it (after 30 seconds) and try to manage him better. I'm pretty sure...
Forum: Death Knights 05/01/09, 12:52 PM
Replies: 1,333
Views: 1,251,628
Posted By methods
Back to the Drawing Board? I think with the...

Back to the Drawing Board?

I think with the passing of T7 it may be time to relook at the IT and UB Glyphs to replace SS. Theoretically, SS isn't actually a very large dps increase but I'm not too...
Forum: Death Knights 05/01/09, 11:16 AM
Replies: 707
Views: 1,587,618
Posted By methods
Unholy possible BiS Assuming your race is Human...

Unholy possible BiS

Assuming your race is Human and with Draenei Aura this is the best I can come up with for alliance. This would change dramatically as an Orc without the hit aura (switch in...
Forum: Death Knights 05/01/09, 8:44 AM
Replies: 707
Views: 1,587,618
Posted By methods
Well at least in single target the raw value of...

Well at least in single target the raw value of T8 4p plus the Warhelm of the Champion should be worth more dps than 4p t8 plus Plate Leggings of Ruination. The issue is that it may be really...
Forum: Death Knights 05/01/09, 12:22 AM
Replies: 1,164
Views: 766,161
Posted By methods
Don't take everything he says there as correct....

Don't take everything he says there as correct. As far as I know testing shows that the constant C is based on Character level and not boss level. So you should always be working with 15232.2 if I...
Forum: Death Knights 04/30/09, 5:10 PM
Replies: 1,333
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Posted By methods
I just posted my predictions in the BiS...

I just posted my predictions in the BiS thread.

Total change from T7 to T8 for Unholy is about 1% or a little more depending on how you shift around your gear to compensate the extra expertise. I'll...
Forum: Death Knights 04/30/09, 5:03 PM
Replies: 707
Views: 1,587,618
Posted By methods
Bloody Hell. There is likely no one that didn't...

Bloody Hell.
There is likely no one that didn't see this coming. T8 is officially an upgrade now though still not by much at all. T7 bonuses are still technically better but the set bonuses on T8...
Forum: Death Knights 04/30/09, 1:20 PM
Replies: 1,333
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Posted By methods
Since SS reapplies BP/FF instead of 'refreshing'...

Since SS reapplies BP/FF instead of 'refreshing' them I do believe it cuts ticks (which is how I've modeled it). This means that to truly min/max you should time your SS's either on 1.5 second...
Forum: The Dung Heap 04/30/09, 12:13 PM
Replies: 177
Views: 168,472
Posted By methods
The point has been stressed many times in this...

The point has been stressed many times in this thread. It's less about the actual numbers and more about the top performance specific to the fight (which translates into basic overall performance...
Forum: Death Knights 04/30/09, 12:06 PM
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Posted By methods
Dirge is a DC every 8 (SS+PS). From my...

Dirge is a DC every 8 (SS+PS). From my simulations you will realistically SS ~4.28 times and use IT/PS ~0.48 times per 20 seconds if using the SS glyph. That means dirge gives you roughly 1.19 RP per...
Forum: The Dung Heap 04/30/09, 9:53 AM
Replies: 177
Views: 168,472
Posted By methods
He has Sigil of VH and he got two applications of...

He has Sigil of VH and he got two applications of Tricks of the Trade. Not sure how much change this could make but if it was done during heart phases it may have some heavier skew.

It looks like he...
Forum: Death Knights 04/29/09, 12:29 PM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
I would assume that it dosn't. Including possible...

I would assume that it dosn't. Including possible procs you should be able to reach the theoretical cap of 1159. I'm also assuming that going above that should not have any value (negative armor...
Forum: Death Knights 04/29/09, 12:05 PM
Replies: 840
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Posted By methods
Among other things this thread and specifically...

Among other things this thread and specifically this post (http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t29453-combat_ratings_level_80_a/p18/#post1205349) shows boss armor. You arn't using GC's formula wrong. He did...
Forum: Death Knights 04/29/09, 11:43 AM
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Posted By methods
From what I've seen tested it only uses the cap...

From what I've seen tested it only uses the cap in finding the amount of armor to remove but you can have over 100% ArP combined. The 80 Combat ratings thread here on EJ has more about this and may...
Forum: Death Knights 04/29/09, 11:27 AM
Replies: 840
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Posted By methods
GC was flat out wrong about the C value applying...

GC was flat out wrong about the C value applying to boss level. It instead applies to player level so we are dealing with a constant 15232.5. I'm actually surprised he didn't clarify his...
Forum: Death Knights 04/29/09, 9:51 AM
Replies: 1,333
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Posted By methods
I don't usually respond to these but I think you...

I don't usually respond to these but I think you may have missed something.

My point is this: You don't like pets. You don't like DnD. You don't like Unholy.

Unholy DPS is designed with pet dps in...
Forum: Death Knights 04/29/09, 9:41 AM
Replies: 1,333
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Posted By methods
This with the previous priority list is almost...

This with the previous priority list is almost the exact priority I have built into my spreadsheet simulator. I use 1.5-2 seconds for disease refresh. Basically in a 'real' situation if you are about...
Forum: Death Knights 04/28/09, 1:50 PM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
Synonymous but not equal. Again, In a Blood dps...

Synonymous but not equal. Again, In a Blood dps point of view they are closer and should be regarded differently than say Unholy.
Forum: Death Knights 04/28/09, 12:33 PM
Replies: 840
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Posted By methods
I think we are in danger of getting into...

I think we are in danger of getting into semantics. Statistically, with a large enough sample all probabilities are 'modelable'. RNG is an equal chance to have a number between A and B (usually 1 and...
Forum: Death Knights 04/28/09, 12:14 PM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
I think that's a little harsh. It's not about...

I think that's a little harsh. It's not about finding the 'god particle' which is true. What is worth discussing is min/maxing. Just because the discussion right now is focused on one point doesn't...
Forum: Death Knights 04/27/09, 4:57 PM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
Just a note on Rawr users: After playing with the...

Just a note on Rawr users: After playing with the newest release it seems that it is not taking glyphs into account at all unless they have checkbox in the options area (so Ghoul OB and PS). It has...
Forum: Death Knights 04/27/09, 1:38 PM
Replies: 707
Views: 1,587,618
Posted By methods
I've had a few people ask me to explain how much...

I've had a few people ask me to explain how much slower weapons are worth in APE. The problem with trying to calculate that is that it varies from weapon to weapon and adjusts based on how much AP...
Forum: Death Knights 04/24/09, 4:50 PM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
It's probably worth mentioning that in the BiS...

It's probably worth mentioning that in the BiS gear I listed earlier, if you focus solely on 'your' DPS and forget your ghoul talent-wise (still summon him when you can) your value for ArP rises. If...
Forum: Death Knights 04/22/09, 4:02 PM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
For gloves there is Bladebreaker's Gauntlets...

For gloves there is Bladebreaker's Gauntlets which exchanges some hit for crit last I checked.

Are we talking about Kahorie's sim? Has the Sim been updated with a new ArP formula? Last I spoke with...
Forum: Death Knights 04/22/09, 1:02 PM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
Disease multipliers adjust the total damage of a...

Disease multipliers adjust the total damage of a strike after all other considerations. The T8 4P bonus increases the disease multiplier by 20% not to 20%. So for example:

HS has a disease...
Forum: Death Knights 04/22/09, 11:40 AM
Replies: 1,148
Views: 572,839
Posted By methods
I feel your pain. Good point on IT eating KM...

I feel your pain. Good point on IT eating KM Procs though. That's something infinitely annoying to try and model. Also, double check my previous post if you haven't already since I forgot to...
Forum: Death Knights 04/22/09, 11:01 AM
Replies: 1,148
Views: 572,839
Posted By methods
That's 1.5 seconds extra for your entire fight...

That's 1.5 seconds extra for your entire fight (Fight Length + 1.5 seconds) not rotation interval (20sec +1.5). The point you are making is true but nearly insignificant.

To comment on giving up on...
Forum: Death Knights 04/22/09, 8:48 AM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
Ok, I've looked into your combination and (with...

Ok, I've looked into your combination and (with T8 shoulders too) you are well over Hit cap. A major itemization issue is balancing that hit cap with other stats since blood gets virtually nothing...
Forum: Death Knights 04/22/09, 6:43 AM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
I think my issue with that is there is no clean...

I think my issue with that is there is no clean exchange like that from gear at the moment. When you switch stats for ArP you are losing the value of those stats you exchanged. Instead of 100 ArP you...
Forum: Death Knights 04/22/09, 12:44 AM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
All I'm saying is even that combination wont be a...

All I'm saying is even that combination wont be a clear lead or loss (yes I tried this combo as well). T8 4p makes the worse pieces of T8 work like they were itemized properly or better. Guess we'll...
Forum: Death Knights 04/21/09, 4:46 PM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
I will not deny that there are close...

I will not deny that there are close alternatives. I wont even go as far as to say that my sheets are so accurate. I'm just not seeing how it could be possible to have a clear advantage over 'free'...
Forum: Death Knights 04/21/09, 2:16 PM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
BiS should include T8 4P for blood since it gets...

BiS should include T8 4P for blood since it gets the most out of the bonus. I haven't found any theoretical combo that does more dps without T8 4P on my spreadsheets. It is possible that I'm wrong...
Forum: Death Knights 04/21/09, 8:22 AM
Replies: 840
Views: 708,373
Posted By methods
It's basically...

It's basically this:

\frac{A}{A+B(1-(zx+y)+\frac{B}{A+B}zxy)}

A = the "C" in ghostcrawlers post so 15232.5
B = Base armor or 10643
x = total of armor pen buffs (blood gorged + ArP from gear)
y =...
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